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- abacusHyperactive
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Arsenal sign deer94
Sat Apr 23 2016, 13:20
i herd he is a legend thts y i am signin him. 2 the teams above arsenal in waivers ye, man wont play 4 u he wana play 4 arsenal
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Sat Apr 23 2016, 13:28
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Sat Apr 23 2016, 13:33
- GhostAdministrator
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- Lloyd BanksDynamite
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- SebastiAnPremierHax Member
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Re: Arsenal sign deer94
Sat Apr 23 2016, 17:53
Who's the muppet that keeps downvoting these
- mlfaijatiAdministrator
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Re: Arsenal sign deer94
Sat Apr 23 2016, 18:45
i did, because abacus is clearly underminding the system of waivers by saying "lol nobody steal my player coz he won't play for you"
obviously i could just hijack this to prove a point, but its not really worth it to sign someone of deer's calibre
obviously i could just hijack this to prove a point, but its not really worth it to sign someone of deer's calibre
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Re: Arsenal sign deer94
Sat Apr 23 2016, 20:15
how is he undermining the draft? The comment was clearly a joke. I don't see why this joker has brought up Cacca either. We asked him to play for us 10 mins before we signed him. It wasn't some grand plan to evade the draft lol.
- mlfaijatiAdministrator
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Re: Arsenal sign deer94
Sat Apr 23 2016, 20:34
I think there should be some sort of rule to make it so if a player has played in the league before, they should have to sign up to the draft, as really that's why the draft is there: to take the entire pool of players and allow it to be divided up evenly. The waivers system is there to supplement teams when they need more players, not signing people who have played in every season so far and decide only now to sign up to play.
Moreover, the waivers order really needs to be sorted out next season. The only 'correct' way to do the order is carrying it on from the season before; this is how it works in SPHB, as the whole system of trading assets for draft picks and waiver sports is integrated into the entire structure of the league. This is achieved through having the existing 10 franchises be the 10 teams that will always be in the league. If a captain decides they don't want to carry on, then someone who does becomes captain of that team, with the existing spot in waivers. The whole captain starting a team from scratch is an idea attached to the FM/most other haxball leagues style of not including a draft. Obviously, this could backfire with a team getting fucked and having a lack of draft picks and a good waiver spot for a new captain, and this is where I think the admins should have the power to step in to prevent stupid trades giving that give away too many assets for players.
Otherwise, the current system, as I think I've discussed before, is either:
Waiver list is identical to 1st round, and so the team that is first in both gets their free choice (as arsenal have this season, signing 2 players who won the league by a mile last season) of players to join, and if this is a new team (which is extremely likely) that means essentially 3 players who have been signed to the team without any other team having the power to prevent it.
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Waiver list is inverse to the first round, which gives the team that won the title last season a free pick at a player, which results in (lo and behold) them having essentially 3 players which teams have no power to stop (being the captain, player kept and 1st waiver signing), such as C3 last season.
Both of which don't work imo.
Also this isn't an attack on arsenal/cacca this season, I heard cacca was going to sheeps, so the signing is fair enough.
Moreover, the waivers order really needs to be sorted out next season. The only 'correct' way to do the order is carrying it on from the season before; this is how it works in SPHB, as the whole system of trading assets for draft picks and waiver sports is integrated into the entire structure of the league. This is achieved through having the existing 10 franchises be the 10 teams that will always be in the league. If a captain decides they don't want to carry on, then someone who does becomes captain of that team, with the existing spot in waivers. The whole captain starting a team from scratch is an idea attached to the FM/most other haxball leagues style of not including a draft. Obviously, this could backfire with a team getting fucked and having a lack of draft picks and a good waiver spot for a new captain, and this is where I think the admins should have the power to step in to prevent stupid trades giving that give away too many assets for players.
Otherwise, the current system, as I think I've discussed before, is either:
Waiver list is identical to 1st round, and so the team that is first in both gets their free choice (as arsenal have this season, signing 2 players who won the league by a mile last season) of players to join, and if this is a new team (which is extremely likely) that means essentially 3 players who have been signed to the team without any other team having the power to prevent it.
or
Waiver list is inverse to the first round, which gives the team that won the title last season a free pick at a player, which results in (lo and behold) them having essentially 3 players which teams have no power to stop (being the captain, player kept and 1st waiver signing), such as C3 last season.
Both of which don't work imo.
Also this isn't an attack on arsenal/cacca this season, I heard cacca was going to sheeps, so the signing is fair enough.
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Re: Arsenal sign deer94
Sat Apr 23 2016, 20:51
Oi mlf, I started appearing on teamspeak when the draft was already underway, I didn't try to avoid other teams at all, and when I did originally appear on teamspeak I didn't want to play in the league I was here just to chill
So your idea is basically to exclude me for the entire season until the next draft? With that attitude you will kill off haxball, what about any new players that sign up and are interested, you go and tell them they have to wait a few months till the next draft at which point they may not even have a chance and they'll just bugger off and not bother with haxball at all
Cacca was essentially an in the moment signing as we now needed a GK as Tanzim has basically lost interest due to internet issues and tanz just being a little whiny bitch in general
The reason these hijackings dont happen often is that other than the pull of playing with people you're familiar and friends with (bearing in mind I played with Mani and Tanz on Football manager in the summer previously so I've kept in contact with them) there's no draw like in football with higher wages offered from a different team or whatever
this isn't some multi million dollar industry where everything has to be run by the book, people come and go and for most people haxball is just a minor factor in peoples lives
So your idea is basically to exclude me for the entire season until the next draft? With that attitude you will kill off haxball, what about any new players that sign up and are interested, you go and tell them they have to wait a few months till the next draft at which point they may not even have a chance and they'll just bugger off and not bother with haxball at all
Cacca was essentially an in the moment signing as we now needed a GK as Tanzim has basically lost interest due to internet issues and tanz just being a little whiny bitch in general
The reason these hijackings dont happen often is that other than the pull of playing with people you're familiar and friends with (bearing in mind I played with Mani and Tanz on Football manager in the summer previously so I've kept in contact with them) there's no draw like in football with higher wages offered from a different team or whatever
this isn't some multi million dollar industry where everything has to be run by the book, people come and go and for most people haxball is just a minor factor in peoples lives
- mlfaijatiAdministrator
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Re: Arsenal sign deer94
Sat Apr 23 2016, 22:14
mlfaijati wrote:I think there should be some sort of rule to make it so if a player has played in the league before, they should have to sign up to the draft,
u havent played in the league before, im not talking about players like you
also nice meme you recycled from another thread
- Lloyd BanksDynamite
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Re: Arsenal sign deer94
Sat Apr 23 2016, 22:51
he's got you there deer you fucking dickhead
- deer94Promising
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Re: Arsenal sign deer94
Sat Apr 23 2016, 22:52
I barely use this forum so didn't realise this wasn't a quality fresh content meme that's up to your standards
- mlfaijatiAdministrator
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Re: Arsenal sign deer94
Sat Apr 23 2016, 22:55
maybe you should go back to barely using this forum then
- B4D 4SSSuperman
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Re: Arsenal sign deer94
Sat Apr 23 2016, 23:13
i agree with mlf talking a lot of common sense here.
on the point of new players not getting a chance - how many new players have been signed from free agents? it seems free agents system atm is just a way of getting pro players in ur team.
the break between seasons cud be shorter to shorten time for the people who did actually join new mid-season.
the best thing about the league and this season in particular is that the teams are balanced and it makes the title race more exciting, cus of the draft, and the current free agency system takes away from that.
on the point of new players not getting a chance - how many new players have been signed from free agents? it seems free agents system atm is just a way of getting pro players in ur team.
the break between seasons cud be shorter to shorten time for the people who did actually join new mid-season.
the best thing about the league and this season in particular is that the teams are balanced and it makes the title race more exciting, cus of the draft, and the current free agency system takes away from that.
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Re: Arsenal sign deer94
Sun Apr 24 2016, 00:32
I'd like to clear out a point (even tho maybe someone already understood it): I haven't signed up to the draft because I wasn't simply playing at the times (I took a break from haxball), and when I came back the league was already started. Indeed in my free agency's post I wrote: "for offers pm or fm ts, every team is ok" because I indeed wanted to make it like a draft and don't cheat at all. The firsts who wrote me were SS, I told them ok but then idk what happened but we haven't been in contact anymore. So one day (like 4 or 5 days ago no idea) I randomly joined free agents channel and Arsenal wrote me. That's all thanks for reading my cool story
- abacusHyperactive
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Re: Arsenal sign deer94
Sun Apr 24 2016, 01:23
yo can u upvote my post pls i dont like bein in overall negative rep man
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Re: Arsenal sign deer94
Sun Apr 24 2016, 01:25
just make alt account and upvote yourself broabacus wrote:yo can u upvote my post pls i dont like bein in overall negative rep man
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Re: Arsenal sign deer94
Sun Apr 24 2016, 01:31
lmao bro 2 much effort init, i cant believe ppl upvoted me man, i thank these ppl frm the bottom of my heart. u kno who u r xxxx
- mlfaijatiAdministrator
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Re: Arsenal sign deer94
Sun Apr 24 2016, 12:41
we don't have to accept inherent flaws in the system, just use the waivers system i've proposed
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Re: Arsenal sign deer94
Sun Apr 24 2016, 13:21
xOscar wrote:mlfaijati wrote:we don't have to accept inherent flaws in the system, just use the waivers system i've proposed
..Thus accepting the inherent flaws in that system..
there arent flaws, the argument is that new players have 2 wait till next season and might lose interest, but look at the players who've been signed and see how many are actually new players, its all players who play in other leagues or have played in previous premhax ssn's.
and the other point of teams needing to sign players mid-season say if some players go inactive, they cud sign the players who weren't picked from the draft, it wud be same system as it was in beginning of season wen u were only allowed 2 sign players from draft who weren't picked, which wud work just fine
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